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Gen. One
Elizabeth
Schmierer [age 57 stated in 1858 census
of Worms]
G.[Georg] Theobald Ochsner
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Three families mentioned in Stumpp's Bk. page 430. They are:
Christian Schmierer, aus Bammental / Heidelberg-Baden, 1804, nach Worms / Od; RL: 7
Joh. Jakob Schmierer aus Ermannshausen / Ludwigsburg-Wu, 1819 nach Alt-Elft/ Bess; S: Josef 15; Jakob 15; Joh. Gottlieb, *17.5.1809, dessen S.: Joh. Gottlieb, *24.6.1842 in Neudorf/ Od, d. 26.1.1934
Josef Schmierer nach Neudorf / Od; RL:245
1858 Census Data on Christian Schierer (Schmierer)
Christian Schmirer (Schmierer) b. 1775 died in 1851 at the age of 76. Arrived in Worms / Odessa, S. Russia in 1804..... m. Elisabetha ____, age 70....Sons listed:
** See Kaye's letter. This is added and not part of the census.
Possible Family Connection
Christian Schmierer, aus Bammental / Heidelberg-Baden, 1804, nach Worms / Od; RL: 7
I can start looking first at at Christian because I already know that my ancesstor Ochsners family lived in Worms and probably married within the community, therefore, my Elizabeth Schmierer might be his daughter or sister or cousin. If she is then we know she, too, migrated from Bammental / Heidelberg-Baden [Germany]. She might well have been born in this village and her parents as well as Elizabaeth might be listed in those records.
Before I head to the Bammental records, let us look at Worms/Od. List RL:7 as mentioned
Worms / Odessa S. Russia list is, also, found in Stump and starts on page 805. I look to the entry under #7 [RL:7] and find the following:
Schmierer, Christian, 42, aus [from] Bammental /Heidelberg, seine Frau [Wife] Philippina 40, seine Kinder [Children] Elisabetha 14, Johann 13, Katharina 7, Friederika 7, Maria 6, Ludowika 5, Michael 1 1/2
Is the daugher of Christian and Philippina Schmierer, Elisabetha Schmierer, age 14, the same Elizabeth Schmierer who married Georg Theoblad Ochsner? According to this list she would have been four years younger than Georg who is listed as being 18 on the same list. That means she would have been born abt 1800
Conclusion:
Georg Theobald Ochsner
b. 1 Sept. 1796 Edenkoben, Landau, Palatinate [Germany]
d. Ochsner Chutor ns, Odessa, S. Russia
m. to
Elizabeth Schmierer, dau. of Christian Schmierer and Philippina _____
b. 1800 possibly Bammental / Heidelberg Baden
d.
Newsletter on Beresan Area near Odessa, S. Russia: http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/newsletters/beresan/
Beresan District Odessa Newsletter, Vol 3, Issue3, Feb 1999 pps. 7-8: THE SCHMIERER'S OF WORMS by Georg Schmierer, submitted by Tom J. Schmierer. Here are a few lines:
"In 1816 two brothers ____ Schmierer and Johann Schmierer, emigrated from Ralesnburg (?) Germany to Bessarabia. Later, some of the offspring ...settled in Worms..."
"By 1833, there were about 8 Schmierer families in Worms. They were mostly all rich by Russian standards."
JARH Notes: Ralesburg can not be found on the older or new maps of German..
I searched for "R" villages around Bammental south of Heidelberg next to Leiman which was where the Roemmich family had lived before the Thrity Years War ..... because Christian Schmierer who migr. to Worms was from this village. Could Ralsburg have been miswritten and be Heidelberg or is it Rauenberg south of Bammental. But that town is too large, so I continued to look. I found a small village of Reilsheim ...? Riedenberg? How about Relsberg? Hmmmm, this is possible. It is north northwest of Otterberg which is north of Kaiserlautern / Pfalz
Let's theorize for a moment. Let's say the Schmierer family migrated eastward from Relsberg... they might end up in Bammental which is south of Heidelberg and right next to Leiman where the Roemmich / Romig family had lived for a time...
Some of the family could have been separated and might have ended up in Erdmannshausen or a birth or death occured there and they remained there for a short period of time before heading to Russia...
Let us take a look at the various routes the Germans took to travel to Russia in 1809 to 1819.... North to take passage on ships... No, I don't think they went north or had familes who settled in the Volga area. There were some who migrated through Dresdan and eastward to Warsaw and then southward to Lemberg then to Odessa area. Then, there was the group who ended up in Ulm and travled by boat on the Danube [Donau] River all the way to the mouth of the river by the Black Sea. Those who left the boats did so at Wein or Budapest then went east to Lemberg to Odessa area.
A Joh. Jakob Schmierer is listed as migr. from Erdmannshausen / Ludwigsburg in 1819. They migr. to Alt-Elft/ Bess. . . Could Ralesburg be a small village near Ludwigsburg? I don't find one.
Another Schmierer migr. to Neudorf/ Od.
According to Stump p. 46 there were 22 families who migrated from Erdmannshausen / Ludwigisburg Kreis from 1804 to 1842.
So, I went to Stumpp and just looked up "R" for other colonists who had migr., just to see what I could find.
Went to Alt Elft to see if anyone else came from the Ralesburg. The only word which came close was Ravensburg-Wu.....
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Who else migrated from Bammental / Baden who settled in Worms/ Od?
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Schmierer List
Rohrbach Death Records
Adam Schmierer b. 1842 d. 3 Sept 1843 Worms [ 1 yer] , son of Johannes Schmierer
Adam Schmierer b. ca 1869 d. 16 Dec 1878 Worms [9 yrs, 3 mths 3 dys] , son of Michael Schmierer and Catherina F____
Carolina Schmierer b. ca. 1865 d. 24 oct 1878 Worms [13 yrs, 2 mths, 11 dys] , dau. of Jacob Schmierer
Catharina Schmierer d. 17 Jan 1877 Worms [6 yrs, 10 mths 26 dys], dau. of Georg Schmierer and Elisabetha Fu____
Catharina Schmierer b. ca.1817 d. 5 Feb 1877 Worms [60 yrs 4 mths 25 dys] , wife of Georg Michael Schmierer #1895622/1 780 18
Daniel Schmierer b. ca 1834 d. 5 Feb 1848 Worms [13 yrs 9 mths] , son of Johannes Schmierer
Elisabeth Schmierer b. ca. 1844 d. 25 Jan 1847 Worms [3 yrs] , dau. of Johannes Schmierer
Elisabetha Schmierer b. ca. 1873 d. 5 Jan 1877 Worms [4 yrs 1 mth 6 dys] , daul of Johann Schmierer and Friedricka Kn_____
Eva Schmierer b. ca. 1870 d. 19 Dec 1875 Worms [5 yers 2 mths 23 dys] , dau. of Michael Schmierer and Katharina F____
Franz Schmierer b. ca 1859 d. 15 Nov 1876 Worms [17 yrs 3 mths 5 dys], son of Jacob Schmierere and Margaretha Ni____
Friedericka Schmierer d. ca. 1841 d. Feb 1842 Worms [1 yrs] , dau. of Georg Michael Schmierer
Friederica Schmierer b. ca 1872 d. 16 Jan 1877 Worms [5 yrs 3 mths 8 dys] , dau. of Johann Schmierere and Friedricka Kn____
Friedrica Schmierer b. ca 1874 d. 31 Jan 1877 Worms [3 yrs 7 mths 24 days] , dau. of Georg Schmierer and Elisabetha Fu_____
Friedrich Schmierer b. ca 1874 d. 8 Jan 1877 Worms [ 2 yrs 10 mths 16 dys] , son of Johann Schmierer and Friedricka Kn___
Johann Schmierer b. ca 1875 d. 23 Jan 1876 [1 yr 9 mths 27 dys] , son of Michael Schmierere and Christina F____
Johann Schmierer b. ca Nov 1849 d. 18 Nov 1879 Worms #1895629/1 800 22 [30 yrs 12 dys], huband of Friedrika Knodel
Katharina Schmierer b. ca. 1874 Ballai / _______ d. 1 May 1875 [10 mths 25 dys] , dau. of Wilhelm Schmierer and Magdalena W_____
Leonhard Schmierer b. 1841 d. Nov 1841 Worms [6mths] , son of Michael Schmierer
Magdalena Schmierer b. ca 1869 d. 18 April 1875 Worms [5 yrs 7 mths 25 dys] , dau. of Wilhelm Schmierer and Magdalena W_____
Philip Schmierer b. ca March 1872 Ballai / ______ d. 23 April 1875 Worms [3 yrs 27 dys] , son of Wilhelm Schmierer and Magdalena W____
Births-----------
Adam Schmierer b. 4 Sept 1876 Worms, son of Jacob Schmierer and Margaretha Ni______
Anna Maria b. 7 Oct 1876 Worms, dau. of Georg Schmierer and Elisabetha Fu____
Barbara Schmierer b. 7 Oct 1870 dau. of Jakob Schmierer and M. Nikolaus
Carolina Schmierer b. 17 Oct 1879, dau. of Johann Schmierer
Catharina Schmierer b. 5 June 1874 Worms, daul fo Wilhlem Schmierer and ____ Winterbau__
Catharina Schmierer b. 3 June 1879 Worms, dau. of Georg Schmierer
Catharina Schmierer b. 9 Dec 1879 Worms, dau. of Michael Schmierer
Chritian Schmierer b. 24 July 1855 Worms, son of Johannes Schmierer and Dorothea Lenz
Christian Schmierer b. 11 oct 1877 Worms, son of Johann Schmierer and Friedrika Kn____
Christina Schmierer b. 9 Aug 1879 Worms, dau. of Johann Georg Schmierer
Elisabetha Schmierer b. 28 Oct 1853 Worms, dau. of Michael Schmierer and Katharina Zeussner
Elisabetha Schmierer b. 20 Oct 1877 Worms, dau. of Georg Schmierer and Susanna Holza____
Eva Schmierer b. 29 Sept 1870 Worms, dau. of Michael Schmierer and Kat___ Fehr
Franz Schmierer b. 2 July 1853 Worms, son of Johannes Schmierer and Dorothea Lenz
Franz Schmierer b. 25 Jan 1859 Worms, son of Michael Schmierer
Franz Schmierer b. 10 Aug 1859 Worms, son of Jacob Schmierer
Franz Schmierer b. 6 Oct 1875 Worms, son of Michael Schmierer and Catharina F____
Franz Schmierer b. 26 March 1876 Worms, son of Wilhelm Schmierer and Magdalena H____
Friedericka Schmierer b. 19 Jan 1859 Worms, dau. of Johannes Schmierer
Frederica Schmierer b. 27 Sept 1871 Worms, dau. of Johann Schmierer and Fr____ Knodel
Friedrich Schmierer b. 22 Feb 1874 Worms, son of Johann Schmierer and Fr ___Knodel
Georg Schmierer (?) b. 16 Sept 1850 Worms, son of Jacob Schmierer
Georg Michael Schmierer b. Sept 1852 Worms , son of Jakob Schmierer
Heinrich Schmierer b. 24 July 1878 Worms, son of Jacob Schmierer
Johann Schmierer b. 22 April 1857 Worms, son of Johann Schmierer and Doro____ Lenz
Johann Schmierer b. 26 March 1874 Worms, son of Michael Schmierer and Cat____ Fehr
Johann Schmierer b. 29 Nov 1874 Worms, son of Jacob Schmierer and M____ Nikolaus
Johann Schmierer b. 12 Dec 1875 Worms, son of Johann Schmierer and Friedrika Kn___
Johann Schmierer b. 22 March 1879 Worms, son of Wilhlem Schmierer
Johann Schmierer b. 25 July 1879 Worms, son of Johann Schmierer
Katharina Schmierer b. 30 May 1858 Worms, dau. of Jakob Schmierer and Mar ___ Werner
Katharina Schmierer b. 14 Sept 1859 Worms, dau. of [not listed]
Katharina Schmierer b. 12 Feb 1870 Worms, dau. of Georg Schmierer and El____ Fuehrer
Magdalena Schmierer b. 25 Sept 1855 Worms, dau. of Michael Schmierer and Katharine Wuest
Michael Christian Schmierer b. 29 Jan 1856 Worms , son of Michael Schmier and ____ Zeussner
Philipp Schmierer b. 5 Dec 1854 Worms, son of Jacob Schmierer and Margaretha Bier
Philipp Schmierer b. 19 June 1858 Worms, son of Georg Schmierer and El___ Fuehrer
Sophie Schmierer [twin] b. 7 Oct 1870 Worms, dau. of Jakob Schmierer and M_____ Nikolaus Note: name of twin is not mentioned in this record.....
Susanna Schmierer b. 5 May 1870 Worms , dau. of Georg Schmierer and Susanna Holz____
In June of 2010 I joined ancestry.com by June of 2010 but I hadn't really used this web site until lately. On the 15th of June, I started to track down the Schmierer families of Worms / Odessa. So, let me repeat Christian Schmierer's family and let me see what I can find to match. The various colors will tell you who presented thhe particular source.
(1) ancestry.com/ russland / owner: brumar196
(2) .(Source: ancestry.com / Lenzen 2010-04-19 / owner: schuezejohn57)
Christian Schmirer (Schmierer) b. 1775 died in 1851 at the age of 76. Arrived in Worms / Odessa, S. Russia in 1804..... m. Anna Elisabetha Winterrott b. 1796 age 70....Sons listed:
LIST: IGI Individual board of LDS:
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Barbara Schmierer b. 7 Oct 1870 Worms d. 1946 Werder / Sachsendorf, East Germany m. 1890 Atmagea / Tulcea, Romania to Adam Kolschefski #no sourceX
Carolina Schmierer b. 16 Jue 1895 Worms , Ukraine, Ussr d. 1989, dau. of Jacob Schmierer and Christina Zollar
Catharina Schmierer b. 8 Dec 1879 Worms / Beresan [Dist., Odessa, S. Russia], dau. of Michael Schmierer and Karolina Harr
Christina Schmierer b. 17 March 1842 Gluckstal [Glueckstal / Odessa, . Russia], ddau. of Joseph Schmierer and Sophia Bohnet #C911414
Christine Schmierer b. 14 Dec 1885 Klein-Neudorf d. 15 Dec 1885... , dau. of Johann Schmierer and Katharina Burr #C01042
Elisabeth Schmierer b. 17 Nov 1838 Rohrbach d. 211 Nov 1838, dau. of Johannes Schmierer and Eva Huhn [Kuhn] #C031875
Elisabeth Schmierer b. 3 Feb 1885 Klein - Neudorf d. 6 Feb 1885 Klein Neudorf, dau. of Karl Schmierer and Maria Vogel #C010421
Daniel Schmierer b. 18 Sept 1838 Glucksthal [Gueckstal/ Odessa], son of Gottlieb Schmmierer and Juliana Rohrbach #C031875
Jakob Schmierer : b. 23 Nov 1885 Worms d. 8 Dec 185 Worms , son of Valetin Schmierer and Luisa Merkel #C010421
Maragaretha Schmierer #C010421 : b. 12 April 1885 Worms / Akkermann / Bessarabia , Russia which is incorrect and should read Worms / Odessa, S. Russia [Ukraine] , dau. of Christian Schmierer and Friederika , nee __NN___, Schmierer
Letters on family of Schmierer Family
Thursday, September
15, 2005 from James Schmierer, jimschmier@shaw.ca
I was checking the internet and came across your history of the Schmierer Family, Worms Russia.
My GreatGrand Father was Johann Schmierer, whose wife was Rosalie Wentz.
They had a son Peter Schmierer, born Worms Russia 1866, who married a Maria (Mary) Kuck ( Koch, Kock)
Peter & Mary married 1890 in a Romania Church in Kocherberg
They had 3 children, son - Wielhem Albert Schmierer born 1894 in Kuschilli, Romania
daughter - Katherine Florence born 1896 in Kuschilli, Romania
son - John born 1898 in Kuschillis, Romania
Mary was born to Welhlem Kuck 1873 Glestintz, Romania.
The family immigrated to Braddock North Dakota in 1899 before immigrating to Canada.
I am searching for next of kin to my GrandFather Peter, and my GrandMother Mary, to see if we are related to any of the Schmierer's in North Dakota.
I am hoping you can assist me in locating another branch of the family.
Thank you for taking the time to assist me in my search of other members of the family.
Yours truly,
James Schmierer
email: jimschmierer@shaw.ca
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Before I leave Worms, I take a look at the other families who came from Bammental. They are: Winterrot, and probably Georg Fischer's wife Katharina who's step daughter Margareta Winterrot, age 12, is from Bammental. Margreta married Johan Jacob Roemmich b. 1793 Edenkoben and they are the parents of Wilhem Michael Roemmich who married Anna Maria Ochsner who is the daughter of Elizabetha, nee Schmierer, Ochsner . Did you understand my thread? I hope you did.
Meanwhile, I've discovered Margareta Winterrot, another ancestor, and from where she had migrated, Bammental, Baden. so, her step mother was Katharina Fischer who must have been married to Margareta's father ______ Winterrot. She, a widow, remarried Georg Fischer, 37 fr. Neckartailfingen / Nuertingen-Wu. Another child, Sibilla, age 10, is mentioned. I'm not sure who's daughter Sibilla is.
This is how this research works. One step to the names may then lead you to other names with several side steps along the way. Most of these families are woven togather by blood or by events. Maybe Georg Fischer's wife and Katharina's husband died on the trekk to Russia.... They may have met. Both needed each other and they were wed.
It'll will be interesting to see if records can be found and discover what happened.
This project is occuring, now and I'll keept you, the reader, posted on what happens and my next steps to find the answers.
See letter on Winterrots who migrated to USA from Bammental
There was a Gottlieb Winterrot who migr. to Hoffnungstal / Od; RL:7. Gottlieb was the son-in-law to Jakob Heer from Grossbottwar / Ludwigsburg-Wu. Gottlieb and wife are listed with Heer. His age was 32 [b. abt 1785] . His wife was Elisabeth, nee Heer, Winterrot, age 27. Maybe an uncle to Margareta Winterrot.....?? Cousin?
Heer family may be from Oberstadt who migr. to Russia, poss. Bessarabia. See Kaye's letter.
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